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joining me tonight is attorney Jim

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Breslow host of the podcast hidden

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truths of Jim it's guilty across the

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board for this particular defendant

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guilty of murder guilty of the lesser

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charge

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interesting tactic though from the

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defense which we see from time to time

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accepting guilt on the lesser charge to

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try to dodge the top chart didn't work

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here

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yeah it's sadness all the way around

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obviously for the baby but frankly also

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for this mother clearly she had an

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addiction problem clearly there were

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mental health issues I think what the

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real killer for her in the case is the

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fact that she had the other child and

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that she demonstrated the ability to

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take care of that child so any hope of

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getting any type of insanity type plea

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just went out the window with the

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demonstrated ability to take care of the

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other G the other child a lot of people

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agree I agree and and look that was a

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key piece of evidence for this state

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some debate over the law here the state

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trying to say that the law makes child

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endangerment into murder if the baby

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dies which is how I read the statute as

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well

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the defense seeming to say no that's the

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what not the way the law operates there

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it needs actions including malice that

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argument may have flown over some of the

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jurors heads but it might be helpful on

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appeal yeah I mean at the end of the day

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you need intent for murder and there

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clearly seems to be enough evidence here

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to prove an intention to leave this

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child to die we all know that a baby

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cannot survive on its own

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she's raised another child she knows

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what it takes to raise a child so it

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seems to me there's your intent right

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there good point there as well okay the

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state's rebuttal in my opinion should

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have gone into this whole love triangle

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situation here because one interesting

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thing that came up in this case that of

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course we didn't hear in the father's

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case is that the mother this defendant

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started a relationship with the drug

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dealer basically right after this

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happened and the drug dealer said he

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knew nothing about the baby now they

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were really clear to say that this

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relationship didn't bud until after the

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baby was out of the way but boy I mean

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could that have been the reason why the

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mother didn't want the baby around yeah

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that would perhaps be an explanation you

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know the only other explanation is of

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sandy how a mother

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not raise a child is beyond most

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people's comprehension but you know when

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you when drugs enter the picture and

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mental health and enters the picture we

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see people doing horrendous e things and

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it just demonstrates you know the mental

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health crisis that we have in America as

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you look at all these different crimes

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that are happening in the mental health

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issues that are involved in them

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it'll be sentencing next in this case